Currently I am using Vagaries of Time with Ledger of Revolting Rituals. My group is getting to Madness this week, and I was wondering if Rathrak, the Poisonous Mind drops would it be worth getting. It looks like it would be an int loss, and I would lose secondary stats, but from I've been told the proc is buffed with our solar eclipse. So would it be worth getting? I should also mention that it would most likely cause me to lose my 3101 haste breakpoint.
Are you carrying a group?
I'm just not sure how a 398 Balance druid hasn't killed Madness WITH a 15% nerf.
Rathrak makes up for the loss in stats on any fight with adds, for single target stick with Vagaries. (If I'm wrong, anyone can correct me. That's based off of some simming I read at the beginning of the expansion.)
Regardless of that though, if you're doing your rotation even half right, you're not the problem. You're probably the outlier in a pre-madness group.
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I was in a pretty good guild on alliance side a while back, and we got to madness back in december. I think like 2 weeks after the 4.3 patch came out, but the guild was full of a bunch of BLEEPS, and the guild leader became inactive, and refused to give up power. He knew that after 30 days of inactivity blizzards systems would automatically give the leadership to another high ranked member of the guild, so he would stay logged out for 27-28 days, and he would log in on the last day to refresh the cycle. So I just left the guild and was guildless for a while which made it so I never got my madness kill on this toon(got it on my dk alt), Now that I found a new guild I am leading some friends who have not done DS before. They have made a lot of progress, and are getting ready to down madness. As far as DPS goes, yeah I'm an outlier on the high end, but that doesn't really matter they all are doing quite well.
Enough of my guild story. Back to the original question. I am worried that my DPS will drop significantly with the Deathwing dagger because I will lost my 3101 haste breakpoiint. I want to know if the proc is worth it. If what you say is correct than I will most likely take the dagger if it drops, and I am lucky enough to win the roll.
3101 haste breakpoint is only good if you play properly. Don't clip Lunar DOTs until they're about to fall off, and don't clip Solar DOTs if they will last you into Lunar Eclipse. Worst case scenario you go a couple seconds without rolling DOTs. Rathrak does not benefit from haste, pretty sure, and I don't think any simulators have properly gauged the effectiveness of it. In my opinion, I would advise you grab Rathrak if possible. You'll gain more spell power and the proc isn't bad at all.
I am worried because my dps has shot up quite a bit since I got to the breakpoint. I don't want it to fall. However I trust your judgment, and if you say I should get it I will then. :D Thanks Cyous
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Mastery cap? How high do u go?
I know some resto droods start to reforge all spirit into mastery and mastery is making your heals stronger. I am kind of having hard time with this idea. On Heroic Beth, by mid p 2 I go oom. Mainly because the raid in p1 takes crazy damage and a few targets I was assigned to heal (a lock and a boomkin, especially lock) would grab 2 packs of spiderlings and I had to literally pop into a tree form to cast instant regrowth and all my hots to not let him die.
After using an innervate and a domo's trinket I am back at nearly 80% mana but then is what I call "hell breaks loose" - spiderlings running around, people taking insane damage left and right. I spam my rejuvs/wg and keeping my LB with rejuv on lock and occassional regrowth with nourishes but then when we group up on Beth I am like at 2% mana with my innervate on cd.
So here's my question...if I'd reforge my spirit to mastery and get stronger heals, then my heals would heal for better numbers and I would not need to spend lots of mana to constantly cast spells to keep people up?
How high should a mastery be for heroic FL? One drood has 1800 mastery he reforged 2k spirit into it... any suggestions? I haven't tried to reforge all my spirit yet. Just seeking an advice from experienced resto droods. Thx
/bump
Anyone?
There is things your raid can do to prevent some of the damage, for instance...
Kill the pee spiders before they get to their targets... Burn spinners quickly... That eliminates alot of damage right there...
Are you 2 or 3 healing?
I have no problems with mana on that fight, but I always end the fight with about 15-20% mana leftover.
we have usually 6 healers we are a 25 man raid/guild and have 2 teams of 25 people (each) + or - 1/2 who sit outside on a good day when attendance is high.
I did have issues with mana mostly because I was a floating healer at some point and dps was just taking crazy dmg at first. If Innervate is on cd and if u got your 2 pcs t12 I pop into a tree form and cast LB on every single person. In Tree form u can cast LB on multiple targets still. One time on one fight.... I regained full mana bar within seconds it was amazing and my innervate was on cd still.
After using an innervate and a domo's trinket I am back at nearly 80% mana but then is what I call "hell breaks loose" - spiderlings running around, people taking insane damage left and right. I spam my rejuvs/wg and keeping my LB with rejuv on lock and occassional regrowth with nourishes but then when we group up on Beth I am like at 2% mana with my innervate on cd.
So here's my question...if I'd reforge my spirit to mastery and get stronger heals, then my heals would heal for better numbers and I would not need to spend lots of mana to constantly cast spells to keep people up?
How high should a mastery be for heroic FL? One drood has 1800 mastery he reforged 2k spirit into it... any suggestions? I haven't tried to reforge all my spirit yet. Just seeking an advice from experienced resto droods. Thx
/bump
Anyone?
There is things your raid can do to prevent some of the damage, for instance...
Kill the pee spiders before they get to their targets... Burn spinners quickly... That eliminates alot of damage right there...
Are you 2 or 3 healing?
I have no problems with mana on that fight, but I always end the fight with about 15-20% mana leftover.
we have usually 6 healers we are a 25 man raid/guild and have 2 teams of 25 people (each) + or - 1/2 who sit outside on a good day when attendance is high.
I did have issues with mana mostly because I was a floating healer at some point and dps was just taking crazy dmg at first. If Innervate is on cd and if u got your 2 pcs t12 I pop into a tree form and cast LB on every single person. In Tree form u can cast LB on multiple targets still. One time on one fight.... I regained full mana bar within seconds it was amazing and my innervate was on cd still.
balance druid gear question
should i use the boe valor wrist over glowing wing?
edit: is the item lvl an crit worth the loss of haste?
You aren't losing a breakpoint so I would say probably.
Ideally though you should grab the crafted bracers if you can. Also, I would recommend tryn g this out in wrathcalcs and seeing what it has to say.
get the LW bracers. Soooooooooo amazing
edit: is the item lvl an crit worth the loss of haste?
You aren't losing a breakpoint so I would say probably.
Ideally though you should grab the crafted bracers if you can. Also, I would recommend tryn g this out in wrathcalcs and seeing what it has to say.
get the LW bracers. Soooooooooo amazing
Resto Druid 3478 Haste Breakpoint
Hey so...
As of the moment my gear isn't quite ready to try out a reforge to this next breakpoint so this is aimed towards high end resto druids. Is the 6th tick of rejuv and 10th tick of wg/efflo with DI worth doing a mass reforge for?
It'd be difficult and would probably need to revert to certain t12 pieces. The reason why im asking this is due to the lack of burst healing we're suffering from at the moment outside of tranquility.
I personally don't see how gimping all of your other stats in favor of it would help at all. I could be wrong, but 3400 haste seems far off.
If someone more knowledgable about it tosses some info out here, it'd be interesting to hear though!
By the way OP, you're a bit under the 2005 marker, as well.
I swap out for the static haste trink if needed but i always have dark intent so 2005 isnt a breakpoint for me
EDIT: Also wearing the wrong weapon :/
Oh no problem! Just had noticed! And I know the bottled wishes provides a massive boost to haste, but I really am not sure if gimping mastery /other stats would favor those other breakpoints, but I am going to watch this thread because I'd like to know myself on if that is worth shooting for =)
yeah i hate the idea of a sp use trinket like bottled wishes but i totally agree i hate losing so much static Int/mastery. But currently thoroughput is just such a massive problem with handling burst damage for H morchok for example.. so just trying to see if the haste breakpoint would help out a bit. Hehe hopefully someone has done some insane math calculations to work it out :)
I haven't done the math..but I think we're still wanting to lurk around the 2005 haste breakpoint...with 4 heroic pieces I'm sitting around 27% mastery while having the additional breakpoints..it's very nice. The best thing us resto druids for high damage phases is to preemptively hot and heal people. Also kick them in the face if they're not using their personals or if they're (in H Morchok's case) not running towards the crystal until the beam is blue.
It would greatly depend on how much of your healing is from WG / Efflo for 3754 (3272) for a ~11% increase to those. It would be more interesting (at least in 25M) for your target of 6th tick of rejuv at 3967(3478) to see if it would be worth it, seeing as it is a 20% increase at that breakpoint. Personally, I prefer to sit around the 2005 and have much higher int / mastery / crit.
well the next factor to take in is also how much stronger natures grace becomes due to the increased haste from that further surpassing other breakpoints. With my current ilevel i couldn't justify a full on reforge and the massive loss of int.. but perhaps in more heroic gear it could be worth the reforge. Think the only way ill know for sure is to test it in our raid once i obtain more gear.. ill post my findings when i find out :)
Well, from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
The 3272 breakpoint is worth ~385 IEP and the 3478 breakpoint is worth an additional ~485 IEP
Getting to 3272 is not worth it because you trade off (3272-2005) * (0.41-0.08) = ~418 IEP worth of secondary stats, but losing (3478-2005) * .33 = ~486 IEP worth of secondary stats is definitely worth the gain of 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP for the 3478 breakpoint.
Relying on procs to reach breakpoints is DEFINITELY NOT worth it. The best you can hope for is 25% uptime, making the value of the 3272 + 3478 breakpoint = .25 * 870 = ~218 IEP which is terrible compared to the value of secondary stats loss
Interesting.. Going to need quite a few heroic pieces if i were to do such a massive reforge though due to the only way i could get there would be to sacrifice Int which effectively would not be worth it.
It would be worth sacrificing up to 870 - 486 = 384 intellect for the 3272+3478 breakpoint.
This seems silly. Plus I can say that if you use the Maw (BiS) you lost a lot of haste and with T13 gear it's very hard to compensate effectively. I have struggled to get the 2005 without dropping my mastery which helps with throughput healing more than haste after 2005. Ideallly* I try to not drop below 1900 mastery tho I'm currently below that because of how the T13 gear limits reforging in haste and mastery. I have seen some people talk about sacrificing intellect on this thread and explored that the other night as well but the math we (my guild and I) came up with seemed that sacrificing any intellect for especially haste was completely worthless and even for mastery seemed iffy. I would stick with the 2005 haste break tbh. There isn't much reason to go beyond that, especially with the time slip 4 piece bonus where your ticking more than usual anyway. It seems more purposeful to maximize the output on those ticks.
You said you've done the math, but you've neglected to disclose it. I have the math that shows roughly how much mastery/spirit and intellect it is worth sacrificing to reach the 2005 and 3478 breakpoints. Stat values and breakpoint values taken from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
2005 breakpoint: (over 917)
Breakpoint value = ~400 IEP
Mastery/Spirit sacrificed = (2005 - 917) * .33 = ~359 IEP
Intellect worth sacrificing = 400 - 359 = ~41
3478 breakpoint: (over 1573)
Breakpoint value = 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP
Mastery/Spirit sacrificed = (3478 - 1573) * .33 = ~629 IEP
Intellect worth sacrificing = 870 - 629 = ~241
Either show us where my maths have gone wrong or show us your maths and tell us why we should believe in it over mine.
As of the moment my gear isn't quite ready to try out a reforge to this next breakpoint so this is aimed towards high end resto druids. Is the 6th tick of rejuv and 10th tick of wg/efflo with DI worth doing a mass reforge for?
It'd be difficult and would probably need to revert to certain t12 pieces. The reason why im asking this is due to the lack of burst healing we're suffering from at the moment outside of tranquility.
I personally don't see how gimping all of your other stats in favor of it would help at all. I could be wrong, but 3400 haste seems far off.
If someone more knowledgable about it tosses some info out here, it'd be interesting to hear though!
By the way OP, you're a bit under the 2005 marker, as well.
I personally don't see how gimping all of your other stats in favor of it would help at all. I could be wrong, but 3400 haste seems far off.
If someone more knowledgable about it tosses some info out here, it'd be interesting to hear though!
By the way OP, you're a bit under the 2005 marker, as well.
I swap out for the static haste trink if needed but i always have dark intent so 2005 isnt a breakpoint for me
EDIT: Also wearing the wrong weapon :/
Oh no problem! Just had noticed! And I know the bottled wishes provides a massive boost to haste, but I really am not sure if gimping mastery /other stats would favor those other breakpoints, but I am going to watch this thread because I'd like to know myself on if that is worth shooting for =)
yeah i hate the idea of a sp use trinket like bottled wishes but i totally agree i hate losing so much static Int/mastery. But currently thoroughput is just such a massive problem with handling burst damage for H morchok for example.. so just trying to see if the haste breakpoint would help out a bit. Hehe hopefully someone has done some insane math calculations to work it out :)
I haven't done the math..but I think we're still wanting to lurk around the 2005 haste breakpoint...with 4 heroic pieces I'm sitting around 27% mastery while having the additional breakpoints..it's very nice. The best thing us resto druids for high damage phases is to preemptively hot and heal people. Also kick them in the face if they're not using their personals or if they're (in H Morchok's case) not running towards the crystal until the beam is blue.
It would greatly depend on how much of your healing is from WG / Efflo for 3754 (3272) for a ~11% increase to those. It would be more interesting (at least in 25M) for your target of 6th tick of rejuv at 3967(3478) to see if it would be worth it, seeing as it is a 20% increase at that breakpoint. Personally, I prefer to sit around the 2005 and have much higher int / mastery / crit.
well the next factor to take in is also how much stronger natures grace becomes due to the increased haste from that further surpassing other breakpoints. With my current ilevel i couldn't justify a full on reforge and the massive loss of int.. but perhaps in more heroic gear it could be worth the reforge. Think the only way ill know for sure is to test it in our raid once i obtain more gear.. ill post my findings when i find out :)
Well, from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
The 3272 breakpoint is worth ~385 IEP and the 3478 breakpoint is worth an additional ~485 IEP
Getting to 3272 is not worth it because you trade off (3272-2005) * (0.41-0.08) = ~418 IEP worth of secondary stats, but losing (3478-2005) * .33 = ~486 IEP worth of secondary stats is definitely worth the gain of 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP for the 3478 breakpoint.
Relying on procs to reach breakpoints is DEFINITELY NOT worth it. The best you can hope for is 25% uptime, making the value of the 3272 + 3478 breakpoint = .25 * 870 = ~218 IEP which is terrible compared to the value of secondary stats loss
Well, from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
The 3272 breakpoint is worth ~385 IEP and the 3478 breakpoint is worth an additional ~485 IEP
Getting to 3272 is not worth it because you trade off (3272-2005) * (0.41-0.08) = ~418 IEP worth of secondary stats, but losing (3478-2005) * .33 = ~486 IEP worth of secondary stats is definitely worth the gain of 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP for the 3478 breakpoint.
Relying on procs to reach breakpoints is DEFINITELY NOT worth it. The best you can hope for is 25% uptime, making the value of the 3272 + 3478 breakpoint = .25 * 870 = ~218 IEP which is terrible compared to the value of secondary stats loss
Interesting.. Going to need quite a few heroic pieces if i were to do such a massive reforge though due to the only way i could get there would be to sacrifice Int which effectively would not be worth it.
It would be worth sacrificing up to 870 - 486 = 384 intellect for the 3272+3478 breakpoint.
This seems silly. Plus I can say that if you use the Maw (BiS) you lost a lot of haste and with T13 gear it's very hard to compensate effectively. I have struggled to get the 2005 without dropping my mastery which helps with throughput healing more than haste after 2005. Ideallly* I try to not drop below 1900 mastery tho I'm currently below that because of how the T13 gear limits reforging in haste and mastery. I have seen some people talk about sacrificing intellect on this thread and explored that the other night as well but the math we (my guild and I) came up with seemed that sacrificing any intellect for especially haste was completely worthless and even for mastery seemed iffy. I would stick with the 2005 haste break tbh. There isn't much reason to go beyond that, especially with the time slip 4 piece bonus where your ticking more than usual anyway. It seems more purposeful to maximize the output on those ticks.
You said you've done the math, but you've neglected to disclose it. I have the math that shows roughly how much mastery/spirit and intellect it is worth sacrificing to reach the 2005 and 3478 breakpoints. Stat values and breakpoint values taken from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
2005 breakpoint: (over 917)
Breakpoint value = ~400 IEP
Mastery/Spirit sacrificed = (2005 - 917) * .33 = ~359 IEP
Intellect worth sacrificing = 400 - 359 = ~41
3478 breakpoint: (over 1573)
Breakpoint value = 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP
Mastery/Spirit sacrificed = (3478 - 1573) * .33 = ~629 IEP
Intellect worth sacrificing = 870 - 629 = ~241
Either show us where my maths have gone wrong or show us your maths and tell us why we should believe in it over mine.
Leather Itemization = >:(
So yah, picked up my 410 belt last night of Zon'ozz and now I get to either be over the expertise cap or over the hit cap.
What really sucks about this is over the hit cap is about the best option since reforging the expertise on my legs instead of the hit nets more mastery.
Here's hoping Blizz pays attention to the stats they're putting on our gear next xpac. :/
Opt for the expertise. For tanking, expertise will continue to prevent parries while hit will do nothing besides helping your FFF miss slightly less often. For dps, well, neither is great. But again, expertise will help to prevent parries for the few instances where your target is facing you while hit over the cap does nothing at all.
What really sucks about this is over the hit cap is about the best option since reforging the expertise on my legs instead of the hit nets more mastery.
Here's hoping Blizz pays attention to the stats they're putting on our gear next xpac. :/
Opt for the expertise. For tanking, expertise will continue to prevent parries while hit will do nothing besides helping your FFF miss slightly less often. For dps, well, neither is great. But again, expertise will help to prevent parries for the few instances where your target is facing you while hit over the cap does nothing at all.
PvP question.
If this were a 2's match and I was running Druid Mage against Feral Priest, could I do the following.
Hibernate the Feral, Cyclone the Priest and leave them both CC'd at the same time.
Also, does Nature's Swiftness make Hibernate instant cast as Resto?
Thanks.
Yes to all questions!
Yes you can. This is a great way to reset a match.
Hibernate the Feral, Cyclone the Priest and leave them both CC'd at the same time.
Also, does Nature's Swiftness make Hibernate instant cast as Resto?
Thanks.
Yes to all questions!
Yes you can. This is a great way to reset a match.
PVP Resto in MoP! Getting Excited!
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