Mangle debuff still disappearing!

Good afternoon all,


So anyway still having problem with the mangle debuff disappearing. I am in 5M groups and there are close to no debuffs on the boss yet the mangle debuff keeps on dropping off. Why is it, I focus the boss check all the debuffs and do not see anything that would cause mangle to drop off like that.

Are my bleeds still getting the buff from mangle? is another debuff that doesnt show on my UI causing mangle to drop off? Very frustrating when you want to ensure you are getting the most dps out of your bleeds and damage.

There might be another class/spec in your group who has an ability that puts on a debuff exactly the same. I know warriors have one such ability. Not sure 'bout the other classes though.
do these debuffs still give an increase in DPS on our bleeds?
Yup, i've had no prob getting the bleed increase from these debuffs aswell.
what debuffs cancel out mangle?

cause I still see hardly anything on the boss and mangle still drops off
other players debuffs/ dots arent showing up on your ui. Affects such as bloodfrenzy - Arms warrior and hemo - rouges do the samething as mangle. oh yeah and some hunter pets have it too.
Not completley sure about all the abilities that give out a similar debuff, i'm pretty sure warriors have one, rogues should have one, not completley sure. Might wanna ask some friends who play other classes if they have a similar debuff applying ability.


Edit: Post above beat me to it.
There used to be a bug where hemo and one of the hunter pets bleed debuff overrides mangle but does not buff shred, anyone knows if that has been fixed?
I'm pretty sure it was fixed, i've had no problems getting shred bonus while in group with hunters/rogues.
I tested hunter pets recently and it was fixed.
If you have an Arms Warrior in your group, they have a debuff called Trauma that lasts a minute (just like Mangle) and will override it if applied after Mangle. The bonus is the same (30% extra Bleed damage) and is applied every time they use Mortal Strike (4.5s).

It's not a big deal; if it's being overridden, the other class is appropriately providing it. Possibly even passively.
Going by what you've posted "close to no debuffs on the boss" I have a feeling you're being affected by the same bug that I am. When I log out and then in on any character it for some reason resets the option "show all enemy debuffs". By resets I mean it's still checked but not working. Just uncheck it then recheck it and then look for the debuffs that were mentioned above.
Are you tracking this debuff with Power Auras, per chance?

+bleed dmg buffs are applied by the following:
druid: Mangle (Bear) / Mangle (Cat)
huner: Stampede: Rhino ability
warrior: Trauma
rogue: Hemorrhage

Add "Tendon Rip" and "Gore" to the hunter pet abilities. Hyena and Boar respectively.
Since the hunter pet abilities are all short duration (15s for non-rhino, 30s for rhino), they shouldn't overwrite any of the others unless they drop low on time.
theres an option now to make it so only your debuffs appear, so when you apply it and it vanishes, someone else just applied it
The only one i am seeing is the sunder armour, and the raised bloody hand icon with an eye in the middle obviously a warrior debuff (tank) but i didnt highlight it to see if it is one of these.

would be nice to know our bleeds are still being buffed by a mangle or mangle like effect.

but like i said bugger all debuffs on the boss but mangle keeps on disappearing