As of the moment my gear isn't quite ready to try out a reforge to this next breakpoint so this is aimed towards high end resto druids. Is the 6th tick of rejuv and 10th tick of wg/efflo with DI worth doing a mass reforge for?
It'd be difficult and would probably need to revert to certain t12 pieces. The reason why im asking this is due to the lack of burst healing we're suffering from at the moment outside of tranquility.
I personally don't see how gimping all of your other stats in favor of it would help at all. I could be wrong, but 3400 haste seems far off.
If someone more knowledgable about it tosses some info out here, it'd be interesting to hear though!
By the way OP, you're a bit under the 2005 marker, as well.
I personally don't see how gimping all of your other stats in favor of it would help at all. I could be wrong, but 3400 haste seems far off.
If someone more knowledgable about it tosses some info out here, it'd be interesting to hear though!
By the way OP, you're a bit under the 2005 marker, as well.
I swap out for the static haste trink if needed but i always have dark intent so 2005 isnt a breakpoint for me
EDIT: Also wearing the wrong weapon :/
Oh no problem! Just had noticed! And I know the bottled wishes provides a massive boost to haste, but I really am not sure if gimping mastery /other stats would favor those other breakpoints, but I am going to watch this thread because I'd like to know myself on if that is worth shooting for =)
yeah i hate the idea of a sp use trinket like bottled wishes but i totally agree i hate losing so much static Int/mastery. But currently thoroughput is just such a massive problem with handling burst damage for H morchok for example.. so just trying to see if the haste breakpoint would help out a bit. Hehe hopefully someone has done some insane math calculations to work it out :)
I haven't done the math..but I think we're still wanting to lurk around the 2005 haste breakpoint...with 4 heroic pieces I'm sitting around 27% mastery while having the additional breakpoints..it's very nice. The best thing us resto druids for high damage phases is to preemptively hot and heal people. Also kick them in the face if they're not using their personals or if they're (in H Morchok's case) not running towards the crystal until the beam is blue.
It would greatly depend on how much of your healing is from WG / Efflo for 3754 (3272) for a ~11% increase to those. It would be more interesting (at least in 25M) for your target of 6th tick of rejuv at 3967(3478) to see if it would be worth it, seeing as it is a 20% increase at that breakpoint. Personally, I prefer to sit around the 2005 and have much higher int / mastery / crit.
well the next factor to take in is also how much stronger natures grace becomes due to the increased haste from that further surpassing other breakpoints. With my current ilevel i couldn't justify a full on reforge and the massive loss of int.. but perhaps in more heroic gear it could be worth the reforge. Think the only way ill know for sure is to test it in our raid once i obtain more gear.. ill post my findings when i find out :)
Well, from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
The 3272 breakpoint is worth ~385 IEP and the 3478 breakpoint is worth an additional ~485 IEP
Getting to 3272 is not worth it because you trade off (3272-2005) * (0.41-0.08) = ~418 IEP worth of secondary stats, but losing (3478-2005) * .33 = ~486 IEP worth of secondary stats is definitely worth the gain of 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP for the 3478 breakpoint.
Relying on procs to reach breakpoints is DEFINITELY NOT worth it. The best you can hope for is 25% uptime, making the value of the 3272 + 3478 breakpoint = .25 * 870 = ~218 IEP which is terrible compared to the value of secondary stats loss
Well, from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
The 3272 breakpoint is worth ~385 IEP and the 3478 breakpoint is worth an additional ~485 IEP
Getting to 3272 is not worth it because you trade off (3272-2005) * (0.41-0.08) = ~418 IEP worth of secondary stats, but losing (3478-2005) * .33 = ~486 IEP worth of secondary stats is definitely worth the gain of 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP for the 3478 breakpoint.
Relying on procs to reach breakpoints is DEFINITELY NOT worth it. The best you can hope for is 25% uptime, making the value of the 3272 + 3478 breakpoint = .25 * 870 = ~218 IEP which is terrible compared to the value of secondary stats loss
Interesting.. Going to need quite a few heroic pieces if i were to do such a massive reforge though due to the only way i could get there would be to sacrifice Int which effectively would not be worth it.
It would be worth sacrificing up to 870 - 486 = 384 intellect for the 3272+3478 breakpoint.
This seems silly. Plus I can say that if you use the Maw (BiS) you lost a lot of haste and with T13 gear it's very hard to compensate effectively. I have struggled to get the 2005 without dropping my mastery which helps with throughput healing more than haste after 2005. Ideallly* I try to not drop below 1900 mastery tho I'm currently below that because of how the T13 gear limits reforging in haste and mastery. I have seen some people talk about sacrificing intellect on this thread and explored that the other night as well but the math we (my guild and I) came up with seemed that sacrificing any intellect for especially haste was completely worthless and even for mastery seemed iffy. I would stick with the 2005 haste break tbh. There isn't much reason to go beyond that, especially with the time slip 4 piece bonus where your ticking more than usual anyway. It seems more purposeful to maximize the output on those ticks.
You said you've done the math, but you've neglected to disclose it. I have the math that shows roughly how much mastery/spirit and intellect it is worth sacrificing to reach the 2005 and 3478 breakpoints. Stat values and breakpoint values taken from my spreadsheet at http://theincbear.com/math/resto-druid-spreadsheet
2005 breakpoint: (over 917)
Breakpoint value = ~400 IEP
Mastery/Spirit sacrificed = (2005 - 917) * .33 = ~359 IEP
Intellect worth sacrificing = 400 - 359 = ~41
3478 breakpoint: (over 1573)
Breakpoint value = 385 + 485 = ~870 IEP
Mastery/Spirit sacrificed = (3478 - 1573) * .33 = ~629 IEP
Intellect worth sacrificing = 870 - 629 = ~241
Either show us where my maths have gone wrong or show us your maths and tell us why we should believe in it over mine.
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